[Rueben Berg]

If the defenders stopped because they heard a pick call before the throw, and they believe that the fact that they stopped means that the play was affected, then 16.3 does not apply and the disc comes back to the thrower.

[Rueben Berg]

Thanks Jim – coaches doing that is already in the WFDF Appendix: A10.1. During any stoppage, if it is practical to do so, a team’s captain, spirit captain, or coach, may enter the field, without being asked, to encourage a player from their own team to change a call. However this may only occur if the outcome will be to the detriment of their own team.

[Rueben Berg]

Thanks for the above discussion. A couple of points from me:

– if there are particular questions that people have issues with, please email me the concern and if you have a suggested amendment, that would also be great: rules@wfdf.sport
– if anyone has some suggested new questions, or new question formats, please email some examples and I would be happy to consider them: rules@wfdf.sport
– regarding Australian nationals, I have repeatedly advised AFDA that WFDF does not require 100% of players to pass the Advanced accreditation and that I don’t think AFDA should either
– one matter raised above that I always struggle with is that the test “shouldn’t rely on highly specific wording” or concerns to that effect. It is a test of peoples understanding of the Rules of Ultimate. I believe that the rules use very specific wording to convey very specific meaning. So it confuses me to understand how a test about peoples understanding of a carefully and precisely worded set of rules could avoid testing peoples ability to understand a careful and precise set of words. But as above, if people have specific suggestions, please email me: rules@wfdf.sport

• This reply was modified 7 months, 1 week ago by Rueben Berg.

[Rueben Berg]

This is the extent to which rules are intended to change, more or less.

[Rueben Berg]

Based on the video replay, you are correct. However from what I understand that was not how the order of events was perceived by those involved in the game.

[Rueben Berg]

If it’s not explicitly covered by 9.5.1, 9.5.2, nor 9.5.3, then it’s covered by 9.5.4:
“After all other calls, including “pick”, the stall count restarts at maximum six (6).”

[Rueben Berg]

1)
If defence breach a rule regarding positioning and the pull, that’s “offside”.
If offence breach a rule regarding positioning and the pull, that’s “false start”.

So defence can’t call “offside” against offence.

2)
You are correct

[Rueben Berg]

The rule is currently like that to ensure that we do not incentive calling minor travels to enable the marker to continue stalling while the thrower has to move to the correct spot. This is consistent with the USAU rule.

[Rueben Berg]

“Scenario: At stall 7, a defender erroneously calls and signals pick. At stall 8, thrower finally hears and acknowledges pick call and play fully stops. What should the stall count resume at?”

It should be 1.
We will amend the rules accordingly.

[Rueben Berg]

This is a travel. We will look into what changes might be needed for future rules.

[Rueben Berg]

You also need to consider rule 16.3. “Regardless of when any call is made, if the players involved from both teams agree that the event or call did not affect the outcome, the play stands.”

So if the travel call, and the other players trying to stop, had no impact on the turnover, then the turnover stands.

[Rueben Berg]

This is covered by rule 18.1.3 and also 9.5.4.: “After all other calls, including “pick”, the stall count restarts at maximum six (6)”

Contested calls, expect for contested stall-out, restart at maximum 6

So “if I’m at 3” then “I come in at 4”. “there is no dropping”

[Rueben Berg]

Thanks for everyone’s comments – this has been shared with the WFDF Rules of Ultimate Sub-Committee.

One of the issues in mandating a ground tap is that would create an avenue for play to stop when a player fails to ground tap, which is not ideal.
I am very open to the idea of suggesting a ground tap is a good way to indicate when the thrower has established a pivot point, likely in the official annotations, but don’t think it should be mandatory.

[Rueben Berg]

This is not allowed – see rule 8.3: The thrower may not transfer possession of the disc during dead play to another player.

[Rueben Berg]

This is covered in the Appendix – A7.4.