[Rueben Berg]

It does not matter which team the “another player” is on.

[Rueben Berg]

This is based on rule 18.2.4.5: “a player intentionally bobbles, fumbles or delays the disc to themselves, for the sole
purpose of moving in a specific direction.”

In the situation we are describing, the “first touch” to block the disc is not relevant to 18.2.4.5. The “second touch” is an intentional tipping off the disc, but it’s not to themselves, so again, 18.2.4.5 does not apply. However if the “second touch” as followed by a “third touch” by the same player, then 18.2.4.5 would apply.

Hope that helps.

[Rueben Berg]

If 3 teams are tied in that scenario (games won is the same and no forfeits), you need to rank the tied teams by the goal difference, only counting games between the tied teams.

If after that:
– Team B is on +2
– Team C is on -1
– Team D is on -1
Then Team B is Ranked above Team C and Team D.

Then as per B3.3.2, you go back to Head to Head to rank Team C and Team D (B3.4.1)
Therefore Team D is ranked above Team C, as Team D beat Team C.

Hope that helps

[Rueben Berg]

This seems like where 12.6.3 would be used:
“If a player is not reasonably certain that they will be able to make a legal play at the disc before an opponent who is moving in a legal manner, they must adjust their movements to avoid initiating contact. If that adjustment is made, the result of the play still stands.”
As the defender started moving to the point after you already had, the defender would need to adjust their movements.

[Rueben Berg]

If the defenders stopped because they heard a pick call before the throw, and they believe that the fact that they stopped means that the play was affected, then 16.3 does not apply and the disc comes back to the thrower.

[Rueben Berg]

Thanks Jim – coaches doing that is already in the WFDF Appendix: A10.1. During any stoppage, if it is practical to do so, a team’s captain, spirit captain, or coach, may enter the field, without being asked, to encourage a player from their own team to change a call. However this may only occur if the outcome will be to the detriment of their own team.

[Rueben Berg]

Thanks for the above discussion. A couple of points from me:

– if there are particular questions that people have issues with, please email me the concern and if you have a suggested amendment, that would also be great: [email protected]
– if anyone has some suggested new questions, or new question formats, please email some examples and I would be happy to consider them: [email protected]
– regarding Australian nationals, I have repeatedly advised AFDA that WFDF does not require 100% of players to pass the Advanced accreditation and that I don’t think AFDA should either
– one matter raised above that I always struggle with is that the test “shouldn’t rely on highly specific wording” or concerns to that effect. It is a test of peoples understanding of the Rules of Ultimate. I believe that the rules use very specific wording to convey very specific meaning. So it confuses me to understand how a test about peoples understanding of a carefully and precisely worded set of rules could avoid testing peoples ability to understand a careful and precise set of words. But as above, if people have specific suggestions, please email me: [email protected]

• This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by Rueben Berg.

[Rueben Berg]

This is the extent to which rules are intended to change, more or less.

[Rueben Berg]

Based on the video replay, you are correct. However from what I understand that was not how the order of events was perceived by those involved in the game.

[Rueben Berg]

If it’s not explicitly covered by 9.5.1, 9.5.2, nor 9.5.3, then it’s covered by 9.5.4:
“After all other calls, including “pick”, the stall count restarts at maximum six (6).”

[Rueben Berg]

1)
If defence breach a rule regarding positioning and the pull, that’s “offside”.
If offence breach a rule regarding positioning and the pull, that’s “false start”.

So defence can’t call “offside” against offence.

2)
You are correct

[Rueben Berg]

The rule is currently like that to ensure that we do not incentive calling minor travels to enable the marker to continue stalling while the thrower has to move to the correct spot. This is consistent with the USAU rule.

[Rueben Berg]

“Scenario: At stall 7, a defender erroneously calls and signals pick. At stall 8, thrower finally hears and acknowledges pick call and play fully stops. What should the stall count resume at?”

It should be 1.
We will amend the rules accordingly.

[Rueben Berg]

This is a travel. We will look into what changes might be needed for future rules.

[Rueben Berg]

You also need to consider rule 16.3. “Regardless of when any call is made, if the players involved from both teams agree that the event or call did not affect the outcome, the play stands.”

So if the travel call, and the other players trying to stop, had no impact on the turnover, then the turnover stands.