[Robert Jablko]

Hi, I have a question considering “unintential drops” in special cases of live discs.

A THE DISC IS DEAD
No turnover is possible, f.e. when carrying the disc to the brick mark. Dropping the disc does not result in a turnover.

Special Cases:
1. The Dropped Check-in is NOT a turnover.
2. Dropping the disc, when trying to pick it up without having established control is NOT a turnover.
“disc is live, but situation is comparable”

B THE DISC IS LIVE
Turnover is possible. Dropping the disc as a thrower during play is a turnover.

[b]What happens in the two special cases, where the disc is live and the marker may administer a stall count, but the thrower has not established a pivot yet. Does an unintentional drop in this moment result in a turnover?
[/b]
Special Case:
1. 11.3.2.1. If the thrower leaves the playing field, they must establish the pivot at the spot on the playing field where they crossed the perimeter line (unless 14.2 is in effect).
2. 14.2. If a player in possession of the disc ends up completely behind the attacking goal line without scoring a goal according to 14.1, the player establishes the pivot at the nearest point of the goal line.

[Florian Pfender]

[quote=”Robse” post=603]Hi, I have a question considering “unintential drops” in special cases of live discs.

A THE DISC IS DEAD
No turnover is possible, f.e. when carrying the disc to the brick mark. Dropping the disc does not result in a turnover.

Special Cases:
1. The Dropped Check-in is NOT a turnover.
[/quote]
Yes, you are referring to either dropping the disc due to the marker “touching” the disc too hard, or due to hitting the ground too hard on a ground check… . Rational: the check is just a method to restart play, it’s not really part of “playing”.

2. Dropping the disc, when trying to pick it up without having established control is NOT a turnover.
“disc is live, but situation is comparable”

rational: you only become the thrower by establishing control of the disc. If you drop it before having control, you were not the thrower yet and could not turn it over.

B THE DISC IS LIVE
Turnover is possible. Dropping the disc as a thrower during play is a turnover.

[b]What happens in the two special cases, where the disc is live and the marker may administer a stall count, but the thrower has not established a pivot yet. Does an unintentional drop in this moment result in a turnover?
[/b]
Special Case:
1. 11.3.2.1. If the thrower leaves the playing field, they must establish the pivot at the spot on the playing field where they crossed the perimeter line (unless 14.2 is in effect).
2. 14.2. If a player in possession of the disc ends up completely behind the attacking goal line without scoring a goal according to 14.1, the player establishes the pivot at the nearest point of the goal line.

Turn. No question. A drop of the live disc by the thrower is treated as an incomplete pass, in this case an incompleted pass plus a travel (no correct pivot), but the travel is waived.