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July 29, 2014 at 10:36 pm #720
Julian Bushe
ParticipantWe had the following situation in a scrimmage yesterday:
I try to cut upline and my defender holds out an arm while I pass him and thus slows down my cut (illegal by 12.11). I still manage to get past him but haven’t got any seperation. My thrower still throws the disc but doesn’t manage to hit the small window so both my defender and I make a play on the disc resulting in a turnover.
Only then I realize I have been fouled during the cut and call the foul. (I think it affected the play bc without the foul I would have had much more seperation and the throw would have been much easier).Afterwards we weren’t sure wether this was a breach of 15.7: “Calls must be made immediately after the breach occurs.”
Is the call in the described situation too late or is it reasonable to play through some contact until the outcome of the play is determined and only then think about if it might have been a foul?
My thinking here is that I don’t want to constantly think about whether or not I’ve been fouled or not when I’d rather concentrate on making the play.Looking forward to the answer. 🙂
July 29, 2014 at 11:04 pm #721Florian Pfender
Participant“immediately after the breach” essentially means “as long as it reasonably takes to determine that a breach has occurred and process the call”. This includes a short check if something affects the play.
Your situation sounds like this time had passed already. The foul occurred, it affected your relative positions, you did not call it. Only then your team mate threw, taking the altered positions into account.
If you had made the foul call immediately as intended by the rule, a possible completion would not have stood as the call would have been before the throw. Delaying the call would give you a “free” try, and this is something we want to avoid in the rules.A general rule of thumb could probably be “about one second” if the disc is not in the air, and if there are no other special circumstances. If the disc is in the air, the timing of the call is not as important, so you can wait a bit longer to see if the breach affects play.
July 29, 2014 at 11:11 pm #722Julian Bushe
ParticipantAlright, makes perfect sense when you put it that way. Thanks for the clarification.
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