Accepted receiving fouls in a scoring endzone should be a score

  • May 22, 2024 at 2:33 pm #5577
    Ravi Vasudevan

    This change would also negate (somewhat) the need for a separate strip foul hand signal.

    The spirit of accepted receiving fouls is to treat the catch as if it happened. If that catch would have been a score then I don’t see why that shouldn’t just count as a score. Not sure why a strip foul is the important distinguishing factor here. In all other instances the accepted receiving foul is treated like a catch.

    May 22, 2024 at 7:49 pm #5581

    I completely agree with this!

    May 23, 2024 at 9:41 am #5585
    Conor Hogan

    I don’t think I agree this is the right outcome…

    I think this could lead to a lot more softer calls on fair contests in the air and more calls not being accepted and sent back to thrower because the outcome of a foul is goal rather than player gets the disc.

    also there’s no guarantee the receiver catches the disc, foul or no foul – so this would be another rule that gives power to the offence (general vibe in the community is that offence is OP and needs a nerf)

    May 23, 2024 at 11:10 am #5587
    Ravi Vasudevan

    I don’t see why, if players are playing fair, this should influence “softness” of calls at all. The assumption in all the rules is that teams will play fair.

    “There’s no guarantee the receiver catches the disc” under this logic ALL accepted receiving fouls should go back to the thrower. We treat all other accepted fouls as a catch on the spot of the foul, so seems logical this one should be to.

    The only good argument I can think of is that fouls move the catch to the point of the foul, not to the point if where the catch might have been. This complicated things because if you get fouled in the end zone and the pass was not going to reach the end zone then it is weird to call that a goal. Same the other way. If you are fouled outside the end zone as you are attacking the end zone where the disc lands then that wouldn’t count as a goal.

    These edge cases do complicate things but probably still worth it in my opinion to have fouls in the endzone be goals.

    May 23, 2024 at 2:04 pm #5594
    Meret Trapp

    These edge cases make it extremely complicated to formulate a simple rule that creates a fair outcome in most scenarios. I would support keeping the rule as is. Changing the result of a call depending on what the additional consequences would be makes a lot of sense to me.

    An accepted receiving foul in the endzone most closely matches catching the disc somewhere close to the endzone. That covers all the edge cases and still guarantees that the offense gains the respective meters. As Conor Hogan pointed out: teams will be more likely to contest the impact of the foul on the play, if it results in a score. And I agree the reality of play should be taken into some considerations when the rules are written.

    And another difference here is: a receiving foul is treated *like* a catch. A strip only happens after the disc has already been caught. A caught disc in the endzone leads to a score (unless you lose control due to ground contact). That should be reflected in the outcome.

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