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New time limit rules brought in – 10 and 20 seconds respectively. However, the penalty for this is allowing the defender to stall only when you are within 3 metres of the disc.
1. Hypothetically, you could delay the game to call your offense as you are walking to the disc and not face any penalty until you are within 3 metres of the disc, by which time you have finished calling your offense and can now rush to pick it up so you only lose 1 stall count.
I understand this would be against the spirit of the game and thus an unlikely case, yet it is still within the rules. Is this a correct interpretation?
I feel as though the starting the stall “only when the offense is within 3 metres” is an unnecessary restriction here, and that you should be able to start the stall regardless of where the offensive player/intended thrower is on field (as long as he is aware of it [“Disc In”]).2. Suggest the disc has come to rest in the defensive endzone, and the offense has taken over 20 seconds to bring the disc back into play. The defense can start the stall when the offense is within 3 metres of the disc.
Does this bind the offensive player into setting their pivot point at the disc (in the endzone) and not allow them to walk it up to the goal line?Cheers,
#1 Hmmm… seems to defeat the point of the rule if the only recourse is to make a game-stopping call, delaying things further. This is one worth keeping an eye on to see how it’s treated by players.
#2 Where does the marker stand? If I start counting at the goal line, then the thrower could play it from the point of the disc (if more than 3m back) and any existing stall count would be invalid, as there was no marker if they were more than 3m away. I guess that’s an effective deterrent in itself.
^^ Totally on the same page dude.
1. Agreed, calling a violation to stop play defeats the purpose of calling a delay to speed up play.
2. I presume you can’t start the stall at the goal line if the disc is further than 3m from it, as suggested above. So would it be the case that the stall begins when the offensive player gets within 3m of the disc (with a defender there too) and the stall continues as the disc is brought up to the goal line? i.e. the defender is stalling as the two players are running to the goal line to set a pivot.
However, this would go against rule 9.3.1
“The marker may only start and continue a stall count when: The disc is live (unless specified otherwise);”because of rule 8.1.2
“The disc is dead, and no turnover is possible: After the pull or after a turnover when the disc must be carried to the location of the correct pivot point, until a pivot is established;”Seemingly the only solutions to this case are to bind the offensive player to the pivot point within their own endzone or to face no penalising stall for delaying the game. Unless there is an exception made??
Thoughts?
1. I appreciate the technicality, but I think this is highly unlikely. The most likely scenario is when people don’t actually walk to the disc, rather than taking > 10 seconds. It’s not clear to me whether I can start the stall if the team is not moving towards the disc but picks up in < 10s. 2. If you position yourself between the disc and goal line, within 3m of the disc, then should the offence decide to walk the disc up, you can adjust your position.
FerdiaR:
“I feel as though the starting the stall “only when the offense is within 3 metres” is an unnecessary restriction here, and that you should be able to start the stall regardless of where the offensive player/intended thrower is on field (as long as he is aware of it [“Disc In”]).”I agree a’lot!
So one defender (checker) touch the disc and calls 10/20 (and probably counts aloud backwards 10-9-8-..1-dics in play, stalling 1-2-3..).
He (checker) don’t have to be marker (possible to play zone).
The new rule is this way great to speed up the game and giving more option for D.
(We use sometimes this method when playing indoors)
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